About the Dutch subs mod and the release name field

[ShooCat]

This is a formal complaint about the Dutch subs mod, or at least one of them - I don't know how many there are.

A couple of weeks ago I uploaded a bunch of subs for the movie 'Brannigan' in several languages, Dutch among them.

The next time I uploaded some other subs, I found the release tag I wrote for the Dutch subs had been tampered with. Where I wrote:

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dvdrip.xvid-shakti

...now the release tag read:

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Brannigan.1975.DVDRip.xvid-SHAKTi

I edited it to change it back, since I know shaktiman (the releaser) and I know he always tags his releases in lower case, and original release names should always be respected. Plus, repeating the movie title there makes no sense at all to me since it's already there. Not to mention omitting this unnecessary info makes for a much nicer, easier-to-read interface imo.

But after a while I saw the field was improperly edited again by someone else. I changed it back for a second time and then for a third time, and when I got fed up I edited it once more and wrote this on the report:

OK, this is ridiculous. I had already given up on respecting the releaser's filename (which was for certain in lower case, since I know him), but insisting on adding a completely superfluous bit of info that IS ALREADY RIGHT ABOVE, for Christ's sake, that adds NOTHING at all and is only a waste of space that can even lead to not seeing right away which particular release those subs are for when the title is a bit longer than usual, that, my friend, is utterly silly imo. But what I consider particularly offensive is you don't even deign to let me know why you keep changing this.

I guess you're the same mod that invalidated some subs I upped once which were for a nameless DVDRip and which were a first here on OS, just because they had no particular name! Same illogic logic applies. I'm fed up with this, so I'm not upping any more Dutch subs. Nice modding, pal.

After this, the release tag wasn't touched again, so I thought I had made my point across.

But, lo and behold, today I've upped another OCR'd subpack in several languages, including Dutch in spite of what I said, and guess what? Yes, he did it again:

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dvdrip.xvid-shakti

...has magically turned into

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Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold (1975) DVDRip XviD-SHAKTi

So, not only is the title moronically repeated, but, just as I anticipated, due to its length users will now only see this at first glance:

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Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold (1975) DVDRip

As a result, the name of the releaser is not visible anymore, which is what this field is meant for, dammit. It's the release name field, it's not the movie name field! What's the matter? Is this mod afraid someone will not see the name of the title just a couple of pixels away? It's already there! How many times do I have to say it? Was it really necessary for me to say it in the first place? Isn't it glaringly obvious?

Also, I still haven't received word on the reason of such behaviour. Probably because there is not a sensible answer, but still I'd like to be treated properly.

So there you have it, I'm not uploading any more Dutch subs, and this time is final. Not a big Dutch subs uploader here, granted (lately at least) , but I do upload some previously unavailable Dutch subs every now and then (such as these two latest examples), and that's the Dutch users' loss, however small, just because of an unreasonable, bad-mannered so-called mod.

[scooby007]

ShooCat

I understand your predicament and might I add that I upload without the movie name and just put the release name in the field. (DVDRip.XviD-ARROW)

I agree that at times the movie name can be extremely long and this can prevent the release name from being seen, that’s why I use the same method as you to upload and have noticed many other (regular) users following pursuit.

I’ve already had this conversation with the admin you mentioned, it seems it is irrelevant that the name of the movie appears just above the release name and it does indeed need to be repeated. (I don’t think repetition is necessary, but each to his/her own, I guess).

I don’t expect others to upload as I/you do. I guess both ways have their uses (not one that I can really defend), but if the movie name is long, I think it would be ideal to just put the release name: DVDRip.XviD-ARROW

Instead of: Percy.Jackson.And.The.Olympians.The.Lightning.Thief.REPACK.DVDRip.XviD-ARROW

The “REPACK.DVDRip.XviD-ARROW” isn’t even seen by the user, all they see is the movie name written twice (Percy.Jackson.And.The.Olympians.The.Lightning.Thief). On the Dutch page for this movie, you can’t see the release name for any of the uploads. On the English page of this movie there are some release names you can see (mainly mine , but not as much as I’d like.

We all have our own views that we would like to see more often, but unfortunately I think we’ll have to reach a compromise (unless OS himself comes here to give a view point), which would be: If the movie name is short, add it with the release name if you like. In this case it doesn’t make a difference either way.
If the movie name is long and will prevent the release name from being visible to the naked eye, then the ideal way should be just to put the release name in this field (but as I said, "each to his/her own"). Repetition isn’t really necessary though.

It saves time for the user if the release name can be seen from the subtitles main page, instead of clicking on it to see what release name it belongs to (or moving your mouse over it). With this movie: Percy.Jackson.And.The.Olympians.The.Lightning.Thief - you have to click on every single file to ascertain what release it belongs to, which I think is a complete waste of time.

Lets hope all follow suit, but don’t hold your breath.

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[Goffini]

brannigan.1975.dvdrip.xvid-shakti.DUT belongs to the Release Brannigan.(1975).DVDRip.XviD-SHAKTi
DVDRip.XviD-SHAKTi does not say anything about the name of The Release which can be found.
cleopatra.jones.and.the.casino.of.gold.1975.dvdrip.xvid-shakti.DUT belongs to the Release Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold (1975) DVDRip XviD-SHAKTi

Moderator Goffini

[ShooCat]

scooby,

NOTE: If anyone ever has a complaint against a admin, please don’t start a forum topic, but contact OS directly. If you prefer to liaise with another admin, please contact them privately using their profile page to comment or send them an email. Thank you.

I swear I would have, had I known the name of that particular admin, but the first time I talked to him (about that nameless DVDRip I mentioned) was quite some time ago, and he then erased his comments on my wall (as well as those unavailable subs), and frankly, I forgot his name.

And now, as I was saying, the only attempts to have a talk have been on my side. I wrote on the comments box when I edited those subs for the umpteenth time, but there's no way for me to know who's reading that. So you see, I had no one to address myself to. And even if I had, I don't think that would have been much useful, seeing as how I asked for a reply there and got none.

Also, I thought it interesting to publicly raise the question of the uselessness of repeating the title there. Take a look at my subs upload history — or yours: isn't it much more pleasant to the eye that way? Is there any trouble finding a particular movie at all? Isn't it ridiculous to clutter the screen with extra long redundant filenames? (Yes, I know you share my opinion about that. That wasn't aimed at you. )

The way I see it, only the particulars of the release should be there: source (DVDRip, BDRip, etc), codec, releaser and any other truly useful bit of info. If I file a sub under 'Percy Jackson blah blah blah', why on earth should I say AGAIN what movie are those subs for? "Oh, yeah, I filed it under 'Percy Jackson 1' but I actually upped the subs for 'Captain Corelli's Mandolin', mwahahaha". Phffft.

Oh, well. That's not the main reason I complained, though. I can deal with someone having a (frankly dreadful ) aesthetic view. It's being unjustly ignored I can't stand.

brannigan.1975.dvdrip.xvid-shakti.DUT belongs to the Release Brannigan.(1975).DVDRip.XviD-SHAKTi
DVDRip.XviD-SHAKTi does not say anything about the name of The Release which can be found.

I take it you're that mod. Yeah, the name rings a bell.

Sorry to put it like this, but you're plain wrong. DVDRip.XviD-SHAKTi say it ALL about the name of that release. Everything! The only thing missing there is the name of the movie and the year. And, believe it or not, the name of the movie and the year are right above the name of the release. You can't possibly miss it. How many times do I have to insist? You can read, can't you?

There's no way to have an actual conversation here, I'm afraid. No more Dutch subs from me and that's that. Big deal, I know, but meh.

[oss]

super-admin talking now

ok guys, as you know, I am pretty easy going, and I dont want any fights here. There is no rule, how must look release field. Normally it is name of the directory, "Orphan.DVDRip.XviD-DiAMOND" is OK, but I am not saying "DVDRip.XviD-DiAMOND" is wrong. I am not sure, but when you hold mouse over release name, it will display in title full name, right ?

For me, as coder/user is much more better, when I put some movie, then I can select release group and then I can select type (dvdrip, bdrip and so on), this filtering is best. It is coded in half way (release group), and also I am making some effort with vcdquality for getting releasenames and imdbs...

so, stop fighting, if somebody (uploader) wish to have release name as "DVDRip.XviD-DiAMOND" it is ok, and it is not needed to correct, specially when he dont wish to correct this, so please respect each other, because both of you have truth, each solution have own cons and pros. For short name it is little bit worse for SEO purposes.

Thanks.