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scooby007



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:15 pm    Post subject: ALL ADMINS PLEASE HELP Reply with quote
Hi to all OS admins.

When you click on reports, there is another active link. Just above the reports box called, “Admins, please check subtitles without Movie. Thank you a lot!”

I was just hoping if someone could help out in this section as OS has gone away and I myself will be leaving in a short while. This section is where all movies/TV series go when an up loader does not assign a IMDB reference to an upload, even though an IMDB reference exists.

If this is not checked, many can accumulate here making it near impossible to rectify.

PLEASE NOTE: The three below are always there, as they don’t have an IMDB reference.

Take Care of the Young Lady Ep1
The 2012 Enigma v2
Kymatica

A month or so ago there was over a hundred in this section, so please try to do what you can.

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I believe OS had implemented functionality for movies without an IMDB. Is there a way to see if they match any of these? I believe we can create our own somehow if they don't exist already.

Otherwise this will become more and more common as free documentaries and programs become commonplace and are not tracked by IMDB (in the same way Podcasts have become commonplace as a replacement for radio shows).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I believe OS had implemented functionality for movies without an IMDB. Is there a way to see if they match any of these? I believe we can create our own somehow if they don't exist already.


Hi eduo, yes you are quite right, there is a section for movies without an IMDB reference. But I was referring to movies/TV series that have an IMDB reference and some people either forget or don't know how to obtain the reference point when up loading.

They just put a (0) in the IMDB reference box to bypass the system, after doing this the upload ends up in the section mentioned in my previous post, where if unchecked, they just start accumulating. So you have to go round putting in the missing IMDB reference to categorize them in the right section.

I can not comprehend why they would want to bypass the system to begin with? You don't even need to go on the IMDB homepage anymore, you can just click "IMDB ID search" on the upload page and go on from there. Hmmm... Some of them probably just don't have a clue.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
scooby007 wrote:
I can not comprehend why they would want to bypass the system to begin with? You don't even need to go on the IMDB homepage anymore, you can just click "IMDB ID search" on the upload page and go on from there. Hmmm... Some of them probably just don't have a clue.


It's not bypassing. For them it may just be a speed issue. Their numbers increase whether they assign IMDB or not, so they don't.

It may be not that they don't have a clue, but that they couldn't care less about setting the IMDB ID. If those uploaded subtitles without an IMDB didn't count for their totals then they'd start making sure the IMDB is there, but it's easier to just upload blindly.

Also, keep in mind that uploading without IMDB is automatable. Some of the users that upload hundreds and hundreds of subtitles may be doing so automatically, without even looking. I know I have never used the web-based upload to upload subs (I haven't uploaded that many since I watch mostly old stuff that already has subtitles, so I end up only uploading versions I've sync'd or improved).

This is the downside of the metrics, I believe. We should be counting only "proper" uploads. And we should also be considering as uploads the matches of existing subtitles to new videohashes. The easiest part is automating the blind upload of subtitles (hell, I did a script that did just that two years ago, getting all the subs from SubDivX into OS, but I never started it so it's not reflected anywhere). The hard part is making it useful.

Especially since fulltext search doesn't work and those subtitles can't be found that way either.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
YOU SAID: "It may be not that they don't have a clue, but that they couldn't care less about setting the IMDB ID. If those uploaded subtitles without an IMDB didn't count for their totals then they'd start making sure the IMDB is there, but it's easier to just upload blindly".

I couldn't agree more and I think it's something that should be raised with OS once he returns. If OS can make it so it doesn't add to their totals, then hopefully this will deter them from following in an inane practice. That still doesn't stop these subtitles being uploaded, maybe the system should reject invalid IMDB references to be uploaded?

Then again that might prevent genuine subtitles that don't have an existing IMDB reference from being uploaded...? Catch 22 situation, maybe.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
One of the things OS tries to be is a repository. Ideally everything stored should be linked to hashed movies and IMDBID. Less-desirable is just having IMDB. Worst-case is having just the subtitle and nothing more. This is still usually better than not having the subtitle at all, since if it exists it can eventually be linked and/or hashed.

If I had API access to the fulltext search so those subtitles show up in searches for videofiles I would incorporate the results with the rest. That would in turn improve the probability of hashing in the future.

I would only change it so unindentified subtitles don't count in the totals, only matched ones. And I'd create separate counters for subtitle hashmatchers, which to me is really the extra effort that should be really rewarded, since that's the actual difference OS has against every other site.

(DISCLAIMER: I'm talking seeing only what's written here. I'm not an admin, so I don't see the reports, maybe that is also something that could be made more open and not just admin-only)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
In regards to hash matches reward. I'm not sure if I'm actually catching your drift but, I'm pretty certain that it exists. In a dormant fashion maybe but nonetheless it can be found. Just click on "statistics" at the bottom of the homepage and scroll down. (not much of a reward in from your perspective, but it's there). If this is what you were refering too.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
scooby007 wrote:
In regards to hash matches reward. I'm not sure if I'm actually catching your drift but, I'm pretty certain that it exists. In a dormant fashion maybe but nonetheless it can be found. Just click on "statistics" at the bottom of the homepage and scroll down. (not much of a reward in from your perspective, but it's there). If this is what you were refering too.


Ah. Sweet. I never noticed that'd been put there. I don't visit the stats much.

Funny, even SolEol appears there Razz
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