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andor1999
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Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Fri May 26, 2023 8:02 pm

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Naked and Afraid XL Seasons 8 and 9 don't follow IMDB's scheme.
For example, I uploaded Naked.and.Afraid.XL.S08E05.Mutiny.in.the.Jungle.PROOFED.1080p.WEB.h264-BAE.
It can be found if searched for by the episode name, but it doesn't show up in the above list.
In the list episode 5 should be episode 0 according to IMDB.
Season 9 has similar problems. Stay with me is listed as episode 2 AND 6
I haven't found a way to fix this as a subscriber.
Is this an admin issue?
Is there a proper way or place to report issues like this?

Thanks.
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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Sat May 27, 2023 3:12 am

This is a somewhat common occurrence with IMDB when a "zero" episode identification is used, resulting in swapped locations, offsets and duplicate entries.

Season 9 is aligned now, Season 8 duplicate entry is cleared and balance realigned. Season 3 and 5 were also problematic resulting in episode shifts. These problem episodes are now residing in "unclassified" along with S08E00, where they have visibility for now on the root directory for this series.

In the future, you can always reassign the root IMDB number to the problem episode which will route to "unclassified" and realign the balance in the sequence. For issues like you posted regarding Season 9 (without zero entry), go to the problem episodes, check their IMDB number for accuracy, then perform an IMDB update. Verify if the episodes have updated correctly to the proper episode number, then recheck the season sequence for accuracy.

If after attempting corrections and issues still persist, then submit a description of the issue via the contact link near the bottom of the page. Please provide a detailed description of the issue and include all pertinent URL links.

Hope this helps a bit for now. Will forward and see if we can get the IMDB side corrected.

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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Sat May 27, 2023 1:15 pm

Thanks for the quick action.
I will try checking the root number and perform the IMDB update in the future.
When you say, "Will forward and see if we can get the IMDB side corrected.", will that resolve the last problem I see with season 8?
i.e. Episode 00 isn't clickable. There is no underline.

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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Sat May 27, 2023 7:04 pm

Please reference S07E00 and note the valid hyperlink, whereas the problem episodes 0 are not active within the “Seasons” indents. Activation requires the “unique” IMDB identifier.

Due to the sequencing conflicts you reported, have reassigned them to “unclassified” as an interim measure to allow structure agreement of seasons to IMDB sequence. They are activated with valid hyperlinks at that location. This stopgap allows visibility within the structure tree, and prevents unattached floaters in the DB.

Have already submitted the “Trouble Ticket” for troubleshooting the issue. ET for resolution is dependent upon specifics of underlying issue, whether local, or if with IMDB backend.

Have flagged this issue, will advise with updates as soon as I receive.

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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Sun May 28, 2023 12:47 pm

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There's a problem with season 2 of Naked and Afraid XL.
There is no episode 8 folder/link and according to IMDB there is no episode 10.
When I uploaded ep 8 it was placed in folder 9.
I checked that it had the correct IMDB episode ID (it did) and clicked the IMDB Update button.
I got the following:
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It still says ep 9, but what does queued for update later mean?
I suspect I can't fix this kind of problem. Am I correct?

Thanks.
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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Sun May 28, 2023 10:24 pm

Have started submitting correction requests to IMDB, it will take time to address all seasons and episodes.

Most of this series was created at IMDB with episodes misaligned, as noted by the multiple EP 0 entries. I have this flagged for monitoring as stated in the last message, and as updates are implemented at IMDB (A large slow moving Amazon subsidiary) I will adjust episodes to their proper sequence.

As noted also in the previous message, instead of Forum postings the best way to address corrections is to submit a trouble ticket via the “Contact” link at page bottom. This will generate a ticket, have an ID assigned for reference, and then slotted into queue.

You can always PM directly to get any updates or clarifications as need be.

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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Mon May 29, 2023 12:43 am

Sorry, I've been a member for years, but never very active.
Still learning the ropes. :)
I must have skipped right over the part about using the contact link for reporting problems.
And I'll have to look into how to PM someone.
Thanks for your help.

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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Mon May 29, 2023 11:35 am

to add my 2 cents - TV root series - update queued later mean:
to update whole TV series is painfull stuff and must be done in extra program thread, not possible to do it on "click" -> wait until tv series is updated -> refresh page.

So we have a queue for IMDB updating. It will be updated when it will come.

What I can do is, that admins/users can see when the last update was performed


I have question for you: if there is special season (season 0), I guess there is no numbering for episodes ? I need to confirm this, so I can make some changes. IMDB to check (random check):

910064
1710291
1235945
7909496
10059476
4592010
1018337
912835
921077
6713692
1018330
916552
7738240
916766
7909530
6814160
662873
910195
916509
820576
9537116
1124457
916371
559524
1235941
7755272
7909592
14309732
911519
1235940
9146582
8615330
663004
1242896
3013030
6852214
908321
868070
8490166
910120
5364732
9005734
916525
909520
9648822
7909578
1377879
9452724
7738236
3563154
7372352
905756
9793050
568898
10535416
916517
14309834
7909554
916738
7909498
10935274
1497892
870362
10535420
1215684
916516
570356
568923
7736348
7909580
63100
916499
916402
916645
1757254
4932874
1018331
910121
1230626
910125
912803
916679
868067
7909584
9155340
910157
4564984
1474529
7738212
916812
965984
916393
916686
7909556
916442
916604
854156
916603
9167802
916430

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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Mon May 29, 2023 4:06 pm

IMDB is a mess sometimes, but it's not always something that can be fixed.
I'll use Naked and Afraid as an example.
Discovery is streaming old episodes, but not in the original order.
As people capture those, they usually label them using the new order.
And if you go to the Wiki, they have them ordered by the original Airing date.
Which I'd prefer, but not everyone is going to go to that much trouble, including IMDB.
I don't see an answer to this type of conflict.
The next most common problem I see on IMDB is how the handle "Specials".
"When Calls the Heart" is a recent example I encountered.
Sometimes a season ends say in August, but they will have a Christmas or New Year special in December.
IMBD sometimes labels that as episode zero or episode 1 of the following season, or not at all.
Personally, I think it should be numbered as the last episode of the season that aired that year.
When IMDB fails to include it anywhere, users come up with there own schemes.
I've seen the specials numbered this way:
S00EXX Where XX is the season of the special. Sometimes the actual season, sometimes the following.
It's a mess and I don't see a solution other than what you've been doing, using IMDB as the guide for structure.
The one thing I don't understand, and it must be something in your/their software...
Why is the episode 0 such a problem if already exists in IMDB's structure?
Another thing I noticed was an episode folder/link was missing, even though it was in IMDB's structure.
I think it was ep 8. I can't remember the series. Would that have been some glitch unrelated to the episode 0 problem?
I've done some Basic programming, but have no idea how API's work.
I don't expect any quick fix, I don't envy your job here of keeping everything in order.
I just thought I'd add some of my observations.
If I can be of any assistance, just ask.
I'm very familiar with the problems of labeling episodes correctly. :)
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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Mon May 29, 2023 4:20 pm

That list of numbers...
IMDB ID numbers, correct?
How do I use them?
I tried pasting them in IMDB's search box and also opensubtitle's search box.
No luck there.
What should I do with them and what are you looking to find out?
I've never heard of a special season, just special episodes.
I can't imagine how IMDB would handle that.
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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Mon May 29, 2023 4:25 pm

All of these special episodes in conflict are identified as EP 0, and listed as preceding the start of the individual seasons, while if you refer to other reference sources, the specials are consolidated within a separate “Specials” Season 0 Ep 1-12 episodes addressing each.

https://www.opensubtitles.org/en/ssearc ... vie-650030

Example: Note S3 Special leading season 3 regular season episodes https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6845744/

currently residing in “Unclassified” instead of “Season Specials”.

Can forward you the alternative reference sources and IMDb update receipts for submittals via PM if that helps.

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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Mon May 29, 2023 10:30 pm

We do have one ep 0 exception, season 7 has a clickable ep 0 link and has the correct sub.
I suspect that was fixed in the past by admin.
S3 ep 0 Brave New World is another problematic ep 0.
I believe I reported that and it's in the list of to-be-fixed.
A complicated problem, with IMDB playing a big part from what I've gathered.
Subscene avoided the problem by creating multiple season "folders" for a series.
Uploaders just upload all the episodes to the appropriate season and leave it to the downloader to scroll through who knows how many to find the one they need. Uploads might even have different numbering schemes which really creates a mess if they don't include the episode name.
All the effort is transferred to the user.
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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Tue May 30, 2023 8:44 am

the story is - it is fixing by itself in many cases, because we are doing imdb update in background. to not mess with their website we have implemented some cool down / caching stuff, so they dont block us. often it is fixing by itself, just have to wait.

and yes, it is mess :)

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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Tue May 30, 2023 11:34 pm

Just to add my 2 cents.
Subscene avoided the problem by creating multiple season "folders" for a series.

Personally I think that way is a big mess, but I guess it depends on what we get used to over time. OS was like that until they changed it to the current TV series individual episode layout. Which I prefer. Most series I come across, especially the popular ones are all okay. The problem is the site has to rely on IMDb data to categorize episodes correctly and that can cause issues like the one above.

.org version will be abolished eventually and replaced with .com version: https://www.opensubtitles.com/en

From what I hear, the .com version will have IMDb and at least TMDB to get it's data from, so that might resolve the problem for most other series that are problematic and where IMDb is slower.

OS's version of "season folders" when all else fails is the " #unclassified episodes" section.

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Re: Episode lists are out of order per IMDB

Wed May 31, 2023 3:21 pm

pooond,

I agree, this way is better.
I'm having better luck getting episodes to go in the right place now.
I use Subtitle Edit's Opensubtitles plugin for uploading, and I had been putting in the IMDB series ID and letting opensub assign it to the proper episode.
Now I'm using the IMDB episode ID.
That seems to be working better, but not always.
I checked out the beta site. Looks good. I also hope it will address these problems.
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